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		<title>By: Why I Welcome The Government&#8217;s Business-Friendly Approach to Cookies &#171; UK Web Focus</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 11:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] year ago today I wrote a post entitled How Should UK Universities Respond to EU Cookie Legislation? The post was published a few hour&#8217;s before the cookie legislation was originally intended to [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Next Steps In Addressing Forthcoming Cookie Legislation &#171; UK Web Focus</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] 26 May 2011 I asked How Should UK Universities Respond to EU Cookie Legislation? The post was published the day before UK government legislation based on the EU Directive [...]]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Dec 2011 23:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Half Term Report on Cookie Compliance &#171; UK Web Focus</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Half Term Report on Cookie Compliance &#171; UK Web Focus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 08:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] in May 2011 I asked How Should UK Universities Respond to EU Cookie Legislation? The context to this post was the EU’s Privacy and Communications Directive which officially [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Ten Reasons Why You Should Attend IWMW 2011 &#124; IWMW 2011 blog</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 09:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Issues To Be Thinking About Now.  Since every University will this year have to be considering how to respond to the new cookie legislation, this will be of interest to [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Potential for Scoop.it at Events &#171; UK Web Focus</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 09:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] programme for the event has been finalised in light of various recent announcements (such as the Cookie legislation and the requirement for Universities to publish data related to the services they provide) we are [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: ICO Cookie Legislation &#124; Flammpunkt</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] is a good summarising piece here: http://ukwebfocus.wordpress.com/2011/05/26/how-should-uk-universities-respond-to-eu-cookie-legislati... written by Brian Kelly from UKOLN, and he must be right because he has a [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Andrew Cormack</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Cormack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 11:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Replying to my own post, because I see my attempt to provide a link to my thoughts failed miserably :( 

So once more in ASCII
http://webmedia.company.ja.net/edlabblogs/regulatory-developments/2011/05/31/cookies-are-some-easier-than-others/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Replying to my own post, because I see my attempt to provide a link to my thoughts failed miserably :( </p>
<p>So once more in ASCII<br />
<a href="http://webmedia.company.ja.net/edlabblogs/regulatory-developments/2011/05/31/cookies-are-some-easier-than-others/" rel="nofollow">http://webmedia.company.ja.net/edlabblogs/regulatory-developments/2011/05/31/cookies-are-some-easier-than-others/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Phil Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 08:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Specifically, changes to their site here:  http://www.ico.gov.uk/news/current_topics/website_changes_pecr.aspx and stuff about browsers in here http://www.ico.gov.uk/news/current_topics/~/media/documents/library/Privacy_and_electronic/Practical_application/advice_on_the_new_cookies_regulations.ashx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Specifically, changes to their site here:  <a href="http://www.ico.gov.uk/news/current_topics/website_changes_pecr.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.ico.gov.uk/news/current_topics/website_changes_pecr.aspx</a> and stuff about browsers in here <a href="http://www.ico.gov.uk/news/current_topics/~/media/documents/library/Privacy_and_electronic/Practical_application/advice_on_the_new_cookies_regulations.ashx" rel="nofollow">http://www.ico.gov.uk/news/current_topics/~/media/documents/library/Privacy_and_electronic/Practical_application/advice_on_the_new_cookies_regulations.ashx</a></p>
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		<title>By: Phil Wilson</title>
		<link>http://ukwebfocus.wordpress.com/2011/05/26/how-should-uk-universities-respond-to-eu-cookie-legislation/#comment-91773</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 08:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The ICO has provided some extremely clear guidance, both in general and specifically about current browser support (i.e. far from good enough to support the Directive). They even say that sites shouldn&#039;t feel compelled to copy their implementation.

It would probably be a mistake for almost anyone to do anything relating to third-party cookies until Google actually make a statement about the effect this legislation will have on Google Analytics. I think only two EU countries have implemented the full Directive, so it would be interesting to see what they&#039;ve done with these kind of tracking services.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ICO has provided some extremely clear guidance, both in general and specifically about current browser support (i.e. far from good enough to support the Directive). They even say that sites shouldn&#8217;t feel compelled to copy their implementation.</p>
<p>It would probably be a mistake for almost anyone to do anything relating to third-party cookies until Google actually make a statement about the effect this legislation will have on Google Analytics. I think only two EU countries have implemented the full Directive, so it would be interesting to see what they&#8217;ve done with these kind of tracking services.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Cormack</title>
		<link>http://ukwebfocus.wordpress.com/2011/05/26/how-should-uk-universities-respond-to-eu-cookie-legislation/#comment-91722</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Cormack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 10:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brian
I&#039;ve been having a look at the legislation and guidance with my maths graduate hat on (the law graduate hat is lying down in a darkened room!) and my current theory is that there are three classes of cookies - those without which the site won&#039;t work, those that are mainly &quot;for&quot; the user and those that are mainly &quot;for&quot; the server. I think/hope the first two of those are relatively straightforward to achieve compliance, but the third one is a lot harder (as the ICO site demonstrates). Draft analysis is on my blog, and comments (and counter-examples) would be very welcome.

It&#039;s a very long time since I was involved in the nuts and bolts of web servers (P3P is still a promising new technology, as far as I remember!), but feel free to get in touch if it would be useful to compare notes.

Andrew]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian<br />
I&#8217;ve been having a look at the legislation and guidance with my maths graduate hat on (the law graduate hat is lying down in a darkened room!) and my current theory is that there are three classes of cookies &#8211; those without which the site won&#8217;t work, those that are mainly &#8220;for&#8221; the user and those that are mainly &#8220;for&#8221; the server. I think/hope the first two of those are relatively straightforward to achieve compliance, but the third one is a lot harder (as the ICO site demonstrates). Draft analysis is on my blog, and comments (and counter-examples) would be very welcome.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a very long time since I was involved in the nuts and bolts of web servers (P3P is still a promising new technology, as far as I remember!), but feel free to get in touch if it would be useful to compare notes.</p>
<p>Andrew</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kelly (UK Web Focus)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Kelly (UK Web Focus)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 12:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It strikes me that there are many parallel with Web accessibility.  When SENDA legislation came into force there was a feeling that this meant that there was a legal requirement to enforce WCAG conformance - despite the fact that in 2003 only 3 University home pages conformed with WCAG AA and in 2004 this had only risen to 7 - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/web-focus/events/workshops/webmaster-2004/talks/phipps-kelly/survey/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;see findings&lt;/a&gt;.

We subsequently learnt that WCAG simply documented a set of technical guidelines - and that these guidelines were flawed an not universally applicable.  In addition we discovered that the emphasis of the accessibility of the  digital resource was misplaced - various guidelines could not be implemented if non-UAAG browsers were used.  We needed a more realistic approach - and we have seen that in last year&#039;s release of BS8878.

I think we need to avoid repeating mistakes made in the past. Let&#039;s look at what realistic approaches may be deemed appropriate (and the Government has hinted that this is an approach it favours). And also lets explore which approaches can be taken beyond the Web site - such as providing user education, encouraging use of browsers which support privacy standards and providing policy statements in machine-readable formats.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It strikes me that there are many parallel with Web accessibility.  When SENDA legislation came into force there was a feeling that this meant that there was a legal requirement to enforce WCAG conformance &#8211; despite the fact that in 2003 only 3 University home pages conformed with WCAG AA and in 2004 this had only risen to 7 &#8211; <a href="http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/web-focus/events/workshops/webmaster-2004/talks/phipps-kelly/survey/" rel="nofollow">see findings</a>.</p>
<p>We subsequently learnt that WCAG simply documented a set of technical guidelines &#8211; and that these guidelines were flawed an not universally applicable.  In addition we discovered that the emphasis of the accessibility of the  digital resource was misplaced &#8211; various guidelines could not be implemented if non-UAAG browsers were used.  We needed a more realistic approach &#8211; and we have seen that in last year&#8217;s release of BS8878.</p>
<p>I think we need to avoid repeating mistakes made in the past. Let&#8217;s look at what realistic approaches may be deemed appropriate (and the Government has hinted that this is an approach it favours). And also lets explore which approaches can be taken beyond the Web site &#8211; such as providing user education, encouraging use of browsers which support privacy standards and providing policy statements in machine-readable formats.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Hawksey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Hawksey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 11:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its interesting to read how the BBC are addressing this issue. In &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2011/05/cookie_laws_changes.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How BBC Online will meet changes to UK cookie laws&lt;/a&gt; they say 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Today we&#039;re publishing an updated list of the main cookies in use across BBC Online and what each is used for. It also tells you how you can control cookies by setting your computer, mobile or other device to notify you when a cookie is issued, or to opt out of cookies altogether.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This advice is akin to accessibility instructions found on many sites e.g. change text size by ...

It&#039;ll be interesting to see how this area develops

Martin]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its interesting to read how the BBC are addressing this issue. In <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2011/05/cookie_laws_changes.html" rel="nofollow">How BBC Online will meet changes to UK cookie laws</a> they say </p>
<blockquote><p>Today we&#8217;re publishing an updated list of the main cookies in use across BBC Online and what each is used for. It also tells you how you can control cookies by setting your computer, mobile or other device to notify you when a cookie is issued, or to opt out of cookies altogether.</p></blockquote>
<p>This advice is akin to accessibility instructions found on many sites e.g. change text size by &#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;ll be interesting to see how this area develops</p>
<p>Martin</p>
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		<title>By: Frankie Roberto</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frankie Roberto]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 09:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whilst my initial reaction was that this should be something dealt with by the browser too - I&#039;ve since tried to think a little more around the complexities of this.

One of the things that the legislation is trying to address is that there are different uses for cookies - some of which reveal more personal information than others. By contrast, current browsers allow only one type of automatic filtering: for third-party cookies, which is fairly crude and can be gotten around by websites proxying cookies for third-parties anyway). The only alternative is an &quot;ask me&quot; option, where the user has to make a decision about each and every cookie via a not-very-informative dialog box which interrupts the viewing of the page and soon gets annoying.

So it does kind of make sense for websites to provide a little more information about how the cookies will be used. Typically this has been done via privacy policies - but no-one reads those. The alternative suggested by the ICO is for a bunch of text which the user should read and agree to before a cookie is set. This is the most comprehensive - but still not the greatest experience (no-one wants to have to read that much before using basic webpages).

Mozilla have started to explore how to codify different uses of private data via a set of icons: http://www.azarask.in/blog/post/privacy-icons/ - but that&#039;s still work in progress.

Alternatively, perhaps there should just be some reasonable set of rules about how data should and shouldn&#039;t be used (eg no sharing with third parties, max retention limit, etc) - and then we wouldn&#039;t need to ask the user at all. That would, however, cause a lot of trouble for the online advertising industry.

Frankie]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whilst my initial reaction was that this should be something dealt with by the browser too &#8211; I&#8217;ve since tried to think a little more around the complexities of this.</p>
<p>One of the things that the legislation is trying to address is that there are different uses for cookies &#8211; some of which reveal more personal information than others. By contrast, current browsers allow only one type of automatic filtering: for third-party cookies, which is fairly crude and can be gotten around by websites proxying cookies for third-parties anyway). The only alternative is an &#8220;ask me&#8221; option, where the user has to make a decision about each and every cookie via a not-very-informative dialog box which interrupts the viewing of the page and soon gets annoying.</p>
<p>So it does kind of make sense for websites to provide a little more information about how the cookies will be used. Typically this has been done via privacy policies &#8211; but no-one reads those. The alternative suggested by the ICO is for a bunch of text which the user should read and agree to before a cookie is set. This is the most comprehensive &#8211; but still not the greatest experience (no-one wants to have to read that much before using basic webpages).</p>
<p>Mozilla have started to explore how to codify different uses of private data via a set of icons: <a href="http://www.azarask.in/blog/post/privacy-icons/" rel="nofollow">http://www.azarask.in/blog/post/privacy-icons/</a> &#8211; but that&#8217;s still work in progress.</p>
<p>Alternatively, perhaps there should just be some reasonable set of rules about how data should and shouldn&#8217;t be used (eg no sharing with third parties, max retention limit, etc) &#8211; and then we wouldn&#8217;t need to ask the user at all. That would, however, cause a lot of trouble for the online advertising industry.</p>
<p>Frankie</p>
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