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		<title>By: Y Grec</title>
		<link>http://ukwebfocus.wordpress.com/2011/12/20/the-failure-of-citizendium/#comment-126005</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Y Grec]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 02:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People can successfully challenge the fanboys (open Request for Comment, post on WikiProject talk pages), but it&#039;s true that one has to understand how Wikipedia works before doing so and some unscrupulous editors take advantage of the inexperience of others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People can successfully challenge the fanboys (open Request for Comment, post on WikiProject talk pages), but it&#8217;s true that one has to understand how Wikipedia works before doing so and some unscrupulous editors take advantage of the inexperience of others.</p>
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		<title>By: Alma J</title>
		<link>http://ukwebfocus.wordpress.com/2011/12/20/the-failure-of-citizendium/#comment-116560</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alma J]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 07:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Larry Sanger said
 31 December 2011 at 8:09 am 
Are you still talking to yourself there, David Gerard?&quot;

Sanger is no longer associated with the Citizendium project. But for him the penny still hasn&#039;t dropped. Snippy personal remarks at this remove reflect poorly on his judgement and do nothing at all for the project. 

Whether it will survive is anyone&#039;s guess, but given its lofty tone and endless gabfest behind the scenes, it&#039;s frankly risible that after 4 years in public release,  there are still only a mere 16,000 articles. And of those, less than 1% have ever been been given the very editorial approval that remains the project&#039;s sole reason for being. 

1%. On that metric alone, the project is an abject failure. Still, they have just enough bucks to stagger on for the time being. Meanwhile, another internal gabfest looms, as they head towards yet another round of elections.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Larry Sanger said<br />
 31 December 2011 at 8:09 am<br />
Are you still talking to yourself there, David Gerard?&#8221;</p>
<p>Sanger is no longer associated with the Citizendium project. But for him the penny still hasn&#8217;t dropped. Snippy personal remarks at this remove reflect poorly on his judgement and do nothing at all for the project. </p>
<p>Whether it will survive is anyone&#8217;s guess, but given its lofty tone and endless gabfest behind the scenes, it&#8217;s frankly risible that after 4 years in public release,  there are still only a mere 16,000 articles. And of those, less than 1% have ever been been given the very editorial approval that remains the project&#8217;s sole reason for being. </p>
<p>1%. On that metric alone, the project is an abject failure. Still, they have just enough bucks to stagger on for the time being. Meanwhile, another internal gabfest looms, as they head towards yet another round of elections.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Sanger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Larry Sanger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2011 08:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are you still talking to yourself there, David Gerard?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you still talking to yourself there, David Gerard?</p>
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		<title>By: David Gerard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Gerard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 09:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The decline and fade of Citizendium is detailed, with numbers, at &lt;a href=&quot;http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Citizendium&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;RationalWiki&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The decline and fade of Citizendium is detailed, with numbers, at <a href="http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Citizendium" rel="nofollow">RationalWiki</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: David Gerard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Gerard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 09:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Boycott SOPA&quot; - what&#039;s your evidence for Sanger&#039;s support of SOPA? All I can find is &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/#!/lsanger/status/147715866082025473&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;one, obviously ironic, tweet&lt;/a&gt;. Citizendium is not hosted on GoDaddy, it&#039;s hosted on &lt;a href=&quot;http://steadfast.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Steadfast Networks&lt;/a&gt;. The DNS is registered to GoDaddy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Boycott SOPA&#8221; &#8211; what&#8217;s your evidence for Sanger&#8217;s support of SOPA? All I can find is <a href="http://twitter.com/#!/lsanger/status/147715866082025473" rel="nofollow">one, obviously ironic, tweet</a>. Citizendium is not hosted on GoDaddy, it&#8217;s hosted on <a href="http://steadfast.net/" rel="nofollow">Steadfast Networks</a>. The DNS is registered to GoDaddy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Gardner (@iangardnergb)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian Gardner (@iangardnergb)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 14:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I also signed up for Citizendium - personally I didn&#039;t engage as I got so many emails from them I ended up deleting/ignoring them rather than engaging with the project.  When I changed email addresses I left those going into my old account.  No doubt they would have followed (or perhaps are following) a more social approach if the project was launched now.  As tends to be the case with projects which &#039;fail&#039;, communication was certainly one contributing factor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also signed up for Citizendium &#8211; personally I didn&#8217;t engage as I got so many emails from them I ended up deleting/ignoring them rather than engaging with the project.  When I changed email addresses I left those going into my old account.  No doubt they would have followed (or perhaps are following) a more social approach if the project was launched now.  As tends to be the case with projects which &#8216;fail&#8217;, communication was certainly one contributing factor.</p>
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		<title>By: Boycott SOPA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Boycott SOPA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 09:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s interesting to note that while Wikipedia is opposed to SOPA. It&#039;s wiki rival Citizendium supports it. Founder Larry Sanger welcomes it as a way to shut down Wikipedia. Citizendium incidentally is hosted on GoDaddy, which is one of the few hosters which also supports SOPA. If you believe in a free uncensored internet, don&#039;t support Citizendium.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting to note that while Wikipedia is opposed to SOPA. It&#8217;s wiki rival Citizendium supports it. Founder Larry Sanger welcomes it as a way to shut down Wikipedia. Citizendium incidentally is hosted on GoDaddy, which is one of the few hosters which also supports SOPA. If you believe in a free uncensored internet, don&#8217;t support Citizendium.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Liem</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christian Liem]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 23:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s hard for Citizendium to be seen as having failed when the project just never really took off. It spluttered on take-off for the first few months and has been on a deathly decline since. When Wikipedia can import any Citizendium article it so chooses and not vice-versa, I really don&#039;t see the point of Citizendium existing. The whole situation is sad, because Wikipedia itself isnt very good. It&#039;s full of creepy one-eyed fanboys who bully others to their POV, and chase off people who challenge them using spi and arbcom.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard for Citizendium to be seen as having failed when the project just never really took off. It spluttered on take-off for the first few months and has been on a deathly decline since. When Wikipedia can import any Citizendium article it so chooses and not vice-versa, I really don&#8217;t see the point of Citizendium existing. The whole situation is sad, because Wikipedia itself isnt very good. It&#8217;s full of creepy one-eyed fanboys who bully others to their POV, and chase off people who challenge them using spi and arbcom.</p>
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