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		<title>By: Don&#8217;t keep your data under your desk at OSS Watch team blog</title>
		<link>http://ukwebfocus.wordpress.com/2012/04/24/have-you-got-your-free-google-drive-skydrive-dropbox-accounts/#comment-116025</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 23:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] about back-up issues may be using a solution like Dropbox, SkyDrive or Google Drive, but some issues exist around data ownership and rights that may prevent you from wanting to use these [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Terms and Conditions for Online Services &#171; UK Web Focus</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Terms and Conditions for Online Services &#171; UK Web Focus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Brian Kelly (UK Web Focus)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Kelly (UK Web Focus)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@PeteJ

When I installed Google Drive I was surprised that the default was to sync all Google Docs.  I have created a Shared Google Docs folder which I intend to use if I wish to use the service (for now, I&#039;m happy with Dropbox and Skydrive - especially for collaborating on MS Word files).

The problem with the inaccurate &quot;Google is claiming ownership of your documents&quot; rhetoric, is that some of the more relevant criticisms, such as default actions which will be accepted by many, aren&#039;t being addressed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@PeteJ</p>
<p>When I installed Google Drive I was surprised that the default was to sync all Google Docs.  I have created a Shared Google Docs folder which I intend to use if I wish to use the service (for now, I&#8217;m happy with Dropbox and Skydrive &#8211; especially for collaborating on MS Word files).</p>
<p>The problem with the inaccurate &#8220;Google is claiming ownership of your documents&#8221; rhetoric, is that some of the more relevant criticisms, such as default actions which will be accepted by many, aren&#8217;t being addressed.</p>
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		<title>By: PeteJ</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PeteJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ever since I had the experience of discovering that I was uploading some personal documents to one of these services without realising it (because I was saving them in a sub-directory which was sync-ed), I&#039;ve become somewhat wary. 

I&#039;ll probably continue to use Dropbox (cautiously!); I&#039;m unlikely to adopt a Google service as I&#039;m already uneasy about how much information I supply to them through other services.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever since I had the experience of discovering that I was uploading some personal documents to one of these services without realising it (because I was saving them in a sub-directory which was sync-ed), I&#8217;ve become somewhat wary. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll probably continue to use Dropbox (cautiously!); I&#8217;m unlikely to adopt a Google service as I&#8217;m already uneasy about how much information I supply to them through other services.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kelly (UK Web Focus)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Kelly (UK Web Focus)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Petrer Miller
   Thanks for the comment.
   The service which states:

&lt;em&gt;We may update these Terms (including our Privacy Statement) from time to time. Changes will have immediate effect from the date of posting on this Site and you should therefore review these Terms regularly. Your continued use of this Site after changes have been made will be taken to indicate that you accept that you are bound by the updated Terms.&lt;/em&gt;

is, in fact, CloudWorks, which is provided by the Open University!

The point I was trying to make is that Google&#039;s terms and conditions are not dissimilar to those provided by Dropbox and Skydrive (as described in more detail by &lt;a href=&quot;http://womstech.com/2012/04/25/terms-of-service-for-drive-skydrive-dropbox-and-box-compared/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;woms.tech&lt;/a&gt;) - and, in addition, the terms and conditions provided by universities may also worry users that they could be used against them. In reality such terms and conditions will often be needed in order for the organisation to implement its service and ensure they have a sustainable business model.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Petrer Miller<br />
   Thanks for the comment.<br />
   The service which states:</p>
<p><em>We may update these Terms (including our Privacy Statement) from time to time. Changes will have immediate effect from the date of posting on this Site and you should therefore review these Terms regularly. Your continued use of this Site after changes have been made will be taken to indicate that you accept that you are bound by the updated Terms.</em></p>
<p>is, in fact, CloudWorks, which is provided by the Open University!</p>
<p>The point I was trying to make is that Google&#8217;s terms and conditions are not dissimilar to those provided by Dropbox and Skydrive (as described in more detail by <a href="http://womstech.com/2012/04/25/terms-of-service-for-drive-skydrive-dropbox-and-box-compared/" rel="nofollow">woms.tech</a>) &#8211; and, in addition, the terms and conditions provided by universities may also worry users that they could be used against them. In reality such terms and conditions will often be needed in order for the organisation to implement its service and ensure they have a sustainable business model.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 07:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The right to change the ToS at any time allied to the fact that continued use signifies acceptance of the terms suggests to me that you can&#039;t get your stuff out if you object to the change. That said, none of this is unusual for services based on user-generated content.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The right to change the ToS at any time allied to the fact that continued use signifies acceptance of the terms suggests to me that you can&#8217;t get your stuff out if you object to the change. That said, none of this is unusual for services based on user-generated content.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Skelton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick Skelton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At Bristol we have adopted Google Apps for students, and is in the process of rolling out Google Email &amp; Calendar for staff. From an institutional point of view, will we be adopting Google Drive?

We have two instances of Google Apps. Our student instance is on the Google rapid release schedule, so they&#039;ve already got it! For staff we are more cautious in how we enable apps.

I echo Chris&#039; comment about Google Drive being covered under existing contractual agreements. But there are three technical features I think we need:

1 A multi-user install of Google Drive, so you can use it sensibly on shared computers.
2 apps for iPhone and iPad,
3 ability to bulk purchase additional storage.

2 and 3 are promised soon. Bulk purchase additional storage is already available for Google Apps business edition, and the Google education team are promising it. I hope the iOS app is working its way somewhere through Apple&#039;s review process. But there&#039;s no news on a multi-user install, which we really need for student computer rooms, and even enterprise-managed staff desktops.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At Bristol we have adopted Google Apps for students, and is in the process of rolling out Google Email &amp; Calendar for staff. From an institutional point of view, will we be adopting Google Drive?</p>
<p>We have two instances of Google Apps. Our student instance is on the Google rapid release schedule, so they&#8217;ve already got it! For staff we are more cautious in how we enable apps.</p>
<p>I echo Chris&#8217; comment about Google Drive being covered under existing contractual agreements. But there are three technical features I think we need:</p>
<p>1 A multi-user install of Google Drive, so you can use it sensibly on shared computers.<br />
2 apps for iPhone and iPad,<br />
3 ability to bulk purchase additional storage.</p>
<p>2 and 3 are promised soon. Bulk purchase additional storage is already available for Google Apps business edition, and the Google education team are promising it. I hope the iOS app is working its way somewhere through Apple&#8217;s review process. But there&#8217;s no news on a multi-user install, which we really need for student computer rooms, and even enterprise-managed staff desktops.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Sexton</title>
		<link>http://ukwebfocus.wordpress.com/2012/04/24/have-you-got-your-free-google-drive-skydrive-dropbox-accounts/#comment-115636</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Sexton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps should have been clearer here - we have been explicitly told this by Google. I quote:&quot;Google Drive has two versions - one for consumers which is covered under the consumer terms, and another version for Google Apps that is covered under the Google Apps for Business/Education/Government/Non Profit editions. So if a user uses Drive with their Google Apps account, their use of Drive will be covered under your contractual agreement.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps should have been clearer here &#8211; we have been explicitly told this by Google. I quote:&#8221;Google Drive has two versions &#8211; one for consumers which is covered under the consumer terms, and another version for Google Apps that is covered under the Google Apps for Business/Education/Government/Non Profit editions. So if a user uses Drive with their Google Apps account, their use of Drive will be covered under your contractual agreement.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Hamilton (@martin_hamilton)</title>
		<link>http://ukwebfocus.wordpress.com/2012/04/24/have-you-got-your-free-google-drive-skydrive-dropbox-accounts/#comment-115635</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Hamilton (@martin_hamilton)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought this look at the competing cloud storage services&#039; ToS was quite interesting...

http://womstech.com/2012/04/25/terms-of-service-for-drive-skydrive-dropbox-and-box-compared/

The fact that organizations may have negotiated their own terms is an interesting wrinkle on the old question of &quot;should I use my personal identity or my institutional one for my online presence?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought this look at the competing cloud storage services&#8217; ToS was quite interesting&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://womstech.com/2012/04/25/terms-of-service-for-drive-skydrive-dropbox-and-box-compared/" rel="nofollow">http://womstech.com/2012/04/25/terms-of-service-for-drive-skydrive-dropbox-and-box-compared/</a></p>
<p>The fact that organizations may have negotiated their own terms is an interesting wrinkle on the old question of &#8220;should I use my personal identity or my institutional one for my online presence?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Sexton</title>
		<link>http://ukwebfocus.wordpress.com/2012/04/24/have-you-got-your-free-google-drive-skydrive-dropbox-accounts/#comment-115634</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Sexton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a site that thas adopted Google Apps for all staff and students, our view is that Google Drive sits in Apps, is covered by our existing agreements andshould have all the security that we enjoy already - no reason why we can&#039;t class the security/privacy in the same league as Mail, Docs etc.
Chris]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a site that thas adopted Google Apps for all staff and students, our view is that Google Drive sits in Apps, is covered by our existing agreements andshould have all the security that we enjoy already &#8211; no reason why we can&#8217;t class the security/privacy in the same league as Mail, Docs etc.<br />
Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan O'Donnell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan O'Donnell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Opps.  Should have checked for updates before I posted.

Pinterest has updated their Terms of Service to exclude &quot;sell&quot;.

Pinterest updates Terms of Service, drops the “sell”, by Glendon Mellow, Scientific American, 24 March 2012
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/symbiartic/2012/03/24/pinterest_updates_terms/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opps.  Should have checked for updates before I posted.</p>
<p>Pinterest has updated their Terms of Service to exclude &#8220;sell&#8221;.</p>
<p>Pinterest updates Terms of Service, drops the “sell”, by Glendon Mellow, Scientific American, 24 March 2012<br />
<a href="http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/symbiartic/2012/03/24/pinterest_updates_terms/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/symbiartic/2012/03/24/pinterest_updates_terms/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan O'Donnell</title>
		<link>http://ukwebfocus.wordpress.com/2012/04/24/have-you-got-your-free-google-drive-skydrive-dropbox-accounts/#comment-115632</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan O'Donnell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 09:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brian, you might like to compare these terms to those at Pinterest, as described in:

Pinterest’s Terms of Service, Word by Terrifying Word  By Kalliopi Monoyios, Scientific American, 19 March 2012
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/symbiartic/2012/03/19/pinterests-terms-of-service-word-by-terrifying-word/

It should be noted that, like Google, Pinterest states “Cold Brew Labs does not claim any ownership rights in any such Member Content”. Still, they do retain the right to sell your stuff...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, you might like to compare these terms to those at Pinterest, as described in:</p>
<p>Pinterest’s Terms of Service, Word by Terrifying Word  By Kalliopi Monoyios, Scientific American, 19 March 2012<br />
<a href="http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/symbiartic/2012/03/19/pinterests-terms-of-service-word-by-terrifying-word/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/symbiartic/2012/03/19/pinterests-terms-of-service-word-by-terrifying-word/</a></p>
<p>It should be noted that, like Google, Pinterest states “Cold Brew Labs does not claim any ownership rights in any such Member Content”. Still, they do retain the right to sell your stuff&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Prior</title>
		<link>http://ukwebfocus.wordpress.com/2012/04/24/have-you-got-your-free-google-drive-skydrive-dropbox-accounts/#comment-115631</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julian Prior]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 09:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love this tweet from @aral: &quot;Letting Google rummage your files in exchange for free storage is like letting a landlord rummage your belongings in exchange for free rent.&quot; I&#039;m really happy with Dropbox and happy to pay a premium for a service that is reliable and integrates seamlessly into my workflow. I&#039;ll probably try out Google Drive (when it is available) but will be very selective in terms of what I put up there, which I suppose should be true of all cloud services I use.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this tweet from @aral: &#8220;Letting Google rummage your files in exchange for free storage is like letting a landlord rummage your belongings in exchange for free rent.&#8221; I&#8217;m really happy with Dropbox and happy to pay a premium for a service that is reliable and integrates seamlessly into my workflow. I&#8217;ll probably try out Google Drive (when it is available) but will be very selective in terms of what I put up there, which I suppose should be true of all cloud services I use.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Nolan (@MikeNolan)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Nolan (@MikeNolan)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 09:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like how Microsoft spun their &quot;upgrade&quot; to Skydrive when they actually cut storage from 25GB to 7GB. I&#039;m a pretty active user of Dropbox but I&#039;d be tempted to shift to Google Drive if they implement Gmail and Google+ integration well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like how Microsoft spun their &#8220;upgrade&#8221; to Skydrive when they actually cut storage from 25GB to 7GB. I&#8217;m a pretty active user of Dropbox but I&#8217;d be tempted to shift to Google Drive if they implement Gmail and Google+ integration well.</p>
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